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She has nicely explained that Islam is terrorism itself. We commend her courage and hope that she does not get butchered.

I restored the following.

She believes that Islam is essentially equivalent to terrorism as it is the methodical teaching thereof,

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It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and killed his humanity^[1]

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^ LA Psychologist Wafa Sultan Clashes with Algerian Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad over Islamic Teachings and Terrorism

--Patchouli 01:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, she has rejected Islam altogether and is not a reformer.--Patchouli 01:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The so-called "Islamic clergy" are not reliable sources as to who is a Muslim or not so I must restore the Muslim description as she has described herself as that in the Time interview. As I have argued before I see no problems with how she's self-describing herself yet i.e. Secular and Muslim can fit as well as Secular and Jewish. She is no Martin Luther but to me she's a reformer if she pisses off some misogynist cleric. Ttiotsw 20:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Koran 58-5: "Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust."
Koran 9-5: "slay the idolaters where ever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush."
Koran 8-12: "I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

--Patchouli 03:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Patchouli" has now been banned from editing Wikipedia [2017] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penelopebckhead (talk • contribs) 21:33, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Qur'an is a primary source; don't see the point here. I could equally quote old testament with similar violent sections. Given the OT is the basis for Christianity that still wouldn't give me a reason to plaster Christianity related talk pages with that "fact". Ttiotsw 20:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FACT: There is NO Wafa Sultan registered as either a physician or psychiatrist in The State of California. The Medical Board of California readily documents this by their online verification records at ([3]) Likewise the American Medical Association lists no Wafa Sultan as a licensed physician in the United States ([4])

This seems like a very legitimate criticsm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.186.44.179 (talk • contribs)

No, this seems like original research. Who says that she has a current license in CA? Licenses need to be renewed once in a while, or maybe she is licensed somewhere else. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 08:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

California State Records show Wafa Sultan has never been issued a license to practice as a physician in her home state of California nor does the full federal body of The American Medical Association show any license in this name nor her maden name of Wafa Ahmad. Current and prior Licenses are listed for the last 25 years by The Midical Board of California at http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=MDX&p_qte_pgm_code=6301. Moreover, given her stated age of 47 in the New York Times article of 2006, she would have been born in the year 1959 making her only 20 years old at the time she claimed to be in Medical School. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.198.134.66 (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two points to consider.

I removed the comments regarding the attacks by others as they were POV and UNDUE. She made a general point and not a statement regarding everyone.

As far as the Dr. part, she made not be registered in California, but the Time magazine article ( see note #1 on the page) clearly stated she was a psychiatrist in Syria before transplanting to Southern California in 1989 so it is fair and accurate to call her a psychiatrist. To also add further comments on the article based only on checking the listings of doctors and not checking other sources listed seemed to be too much POV and UNDUE also. --Statsone 04:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The one Giving Those Qur'anic References,I can Easily Answer Those So can Most Of The People.It is Not Our Mistake That You dont CHOOSE To Listen.If you r neutral Then only Visit These Pages and Edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Actionfury199 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sunni or Alawite origins?

According to Henderson in the The Sydney Morning Herald she was Sunni : "The Syrian-born Sunni Muslim Dr Wafa Sultan has recently completed a visit to Australia,"^[1], but according to other sources like Southern California InFocus and The Jerusalem Post she was a Alawite: "Wafa Sultan grew up in a modest middle class Alawite family"^[2] and "For no reason other than belonging to the Allawi sect of Islam - that of the president - while the majority in Syria were Sunnis." ^[3]. What's correct? Nsaa (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gerard Henderson (2007-08-28). "Welcome to all who pass the test". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 2012-11-06. Retrieved 2008-03-01. The Syrian-born Sunni Muslim Dr Wafa Sultan has recently completed a visit to Australia, … Sultan's message about radical Islamism is important and she is a courageous critic of jihadist terrorism and societies such as Syria. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
^ Abdussalam Mohamed (March 3, 2007). "Wafa Sultan: Reformist or opportunist?". Southern California InFocus. Archived from the original on 2010-02-01. Retrieved October 29, 2011. Wafa Sultan grew up in a modest middle class Alawite family
^ Ruthie Blum Leibowitz (2006-10-26). "One on One: A woman's work in progress". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 2015-01-01. Retrieved 2015-01-01. For no reason other than belonging to the Allawi sect of Islam - that of the president - while the majority in Syria were Sunnis. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[1] LA Psychologist Wafa Sultan Clashes with Algerian Islamist Ahmad bin Muhammad over Islamic Teachings and Terrorism

[Henderson_2007-08-27_smh-2] Gerard Henderson (2007-08-28). "Welcome to all who pass the test". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 2012-11-06. Retrieved 2008-03-01. The Syrian-born Sunni Muslim Dr Wafa Sultan has recently completed a visit to Australia, … Sultan's message about radical Islamism is important and she is a courageous critic of jihadist terrorism and societies such as Syria. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

[Mohamed_2007-03-03_SCInFocus-3] Abdussalam Mohamed (March 3, 2007). "Wafa Sultan: Reformist or opportunist?". Southern California InFocus. Archived from the original on 2010-02-01. Retrieved October 29, 2011. Wafa Sultan grew up in a modest middle class Alawite family

[Leibowitz_2006-10-26_Jpost-4] Ruthie Blum Leibowitz (2006-10-26). "One on One: A woman's work in progress". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 2015-01-01. Retrieved 2015-01-01. For no reason other than belonging to the Allawi sect of Islam - that of the president - while the majority in Syria were Sunnis. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

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